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   BeverlyB September 14, 2011 Reply

   Wow, beautifully written! Thanks so much for sharing!

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   sandy September 14, 2011 Reply

   I am a parent that had two boys in ATI. I have been reading these stories and feel so much guilt. I thought I was doing something good for my children by having them go through this program. There were cautions in my mind,everything that I have read in these stories were things I heard of or saw,but disregarded as something wrong with my thinking,I was being too critical. Now I am realizing how badly I was deceived and turned from Gods grace to works. I am so thankful for all of your stories and that you have overcome these false teachings by his GRACE!

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     Lora September 14, 2011 Reply

     Sandy, I don't know how long your boys were in ATI or how much they absorbed -- but GO, tell them! Just that right there will help them so much with their healing.

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     MatthewS September 14, 2011 Reply

     Sandy, I hope your boys understand how much you love them and that you meant well. ATI certainly was not the easy way out; you took that road hoping it would pay off. Yes, we've all (you and other parents included) been burned but thankfully God's exchange program offers beauty for ashes. Bless you, friend!

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     donnam September 14, 2011 Reply

     Sandy, I am sorry that you feel so much sorrow. I know there are many parents feeling the same pain.
     
     I was a student, so although I was not an ATI parent, I wrote articles, taught workshops, and counseled other students and parents in the ways of IBLP. And for that I have had to deal with an ugly amount of guilt. I've had plenty of forgiveness to go back and ask for. But the neat thing is that, through my repentance, God has opened all kinds of doors to minister healing to others. Like Lora already has stated, "GO talk to your sons!" God is at work. I guarantee it.
     
     For encouragement and companionship of others in your boat, you might want to check out Recovering Grace's private parent page for former ATI-ers: https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/182080015188401/
     
     ((((HUGS)))

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     Darcy September 14, 2011 Reply

     Sandy, don't wait for them to talk to you about it, and don't take for granted that they weren't affected. Go talk to them! A parent's heartfelt apology is worth everything.You may not even know if they're struggling with something from that part of your past, but you can release them to talk about it and seek healing and offer forgiveness if you aren't afraid of talking about it. How many of us here wish our parents would do just that. Openess and honesty from parents is a treasure.

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     Tammy September 14, 2011 Reply

     I understand all too well the guilt that a parent experiences when they first realize the error of what they have been teaching to their kids. It's heartbreaking, embarassing, humiliating and depressing. And it takes a lot of time to work through these feelings. I would have to agree with the others here. Tell your kids how wrong you were. I don't know how old they are or even how long you were in the program, but I do know that God is in the business of healing and restoring relationships. Lifting up prayers to you and your family. Check out ATI parent recovery group on facebook.

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     "Hannah" November 2, 2011 Reply

     I believe most of our parents, mine included, had the best of intentions. But unfortunately, good intentions do not protect from all ills. Just the fact that you realize and acknowledge it is a huge step! Maybe your sons avoided some of the pain we have experienced, maybe not. In any case, it's never too late to say, "I'm sorry; I just didn't know." Many of us are still waiting to hear those healing words.

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   RachelG September 14, 2011 Reply

   Thank you Donna! This resonated in my heart today and was exactly what I needed to hear/read. Appeasing God is a daily thought that I have to battle against. I'm going to go gather some dandelions today "just because".

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   Amanda September 14, 2011 Reply

   Loved this- brought tears to my eyes. I think this helps me feel reinforced about my parenting after throwing out my ati background- I want my kids to know that love!

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   Beth C September 14, 2011 Reply

   "It is BECAUSE OF grace that I have the desire and power to do His will." Not the other way around. Grace makes my pitiful dandelion-weed offering feel like roses.
   
   This is just what I needed today. Thank you.

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   Grace September 14, 2011 Reply

   Beautiful! Thank you for sharing your heart in this article. It truly is what I needed to read this morning!

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   Katie September 14, 2011 Reply

   Donna, thank you. I needed this reminder today that it really isn't about performing the "right" thing for God. It's still so easy for me to go back to expecting that God is more pleased with me when I do the "right" things. One of the things shared in my recovery meeting this week through the devotional was that God loves me just the same, when I've slipped in my sobriety - and God loves me just the same when I'm walking in sobriety. And now this article today - somehow I think my Daddy God is looking to get ahold of my heart again that this Truth would sink a little further into the cracks of my thirsty soul.

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   MatthewS September 14, 2011 Reply

   Donna, wow, this is so great. Love it!
   
   It reminds me of a phrase someone used about "a royal waste of time", punning on the idea of "wasting" time with God. That when you love someone you "waste" time with them. Of course, time spent with people we love is not done for gain, nor is it a waste at all. We spend the time for the same reason you so beautifully point out here: love!

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     Tangent May 22, 2012 Reply

     Isn't that what heaven will be? A huge "Royal Waste" of time just loving God?

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   Will Hunsucker September 14, 2011 Reply

   Why is it that the image of God as AT LEAST as good of a Father as any devoted human father bothers some people?
   
   One of my first Sundays in the church I'm currently ministering in, I mentioned that our walk with God is rooted in grace, that He by his grace made us His children, and much like an earthly father, even if we walk away from Him that doesn't and can't change the fact of our sonship and daughterhood.
   
   Two days later at the brothers/preachers/leaders meeting I was berated for preaching my heretical viewpoint of eternal security not based on works, and asked to repent before God. Give you any idea how holy living is taught and 'maintained' here? =)
   
   Resting in the idea of a loving Father must just go against the grain of human self-sufficiency. Although how many of us needed just such a father, or appreciated one who tried his best...?
   
   Hmmmm.

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     donnam September 14, 2011 Reply

     Wow, Will... That's some scary doctrine. Once again, puts me in mind of the building of the Tower Of Babel.
     
     Yes, I think that being human makes it difficult to accept God and the idea of simple lordship but with no strings and no need to work for His approval.
     
     Even though ATIA perverted my understanding of the Daddy-ship of God, my earthly father was (and is) the type of guy who I never felt like I had to earn his love. I have never wondered if he loved me -even when I disappointed him. I never wondered if I was good enough for him. Though it's a process that will probably continue for the rest of my life, that early father-role laid good groundwork, I believe, for me to learn the heart of my Father God.

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       Heather July 24, 2012 Reply

       Lucky you. Whenever my dad got mad at me, my immediate instinct was to run away. Literally to run away from home, and try to make it on my own. (I never acted on it), but whenever he yelled at me, I shriveled up inside, and believed that he didn't love me, and that I wasn't worth loving. I thought if I ran away, I probably wouldn't be missed, unless it was to get in serious trouble for running. There are other girls I know whom I could tell by their expressions and behavior, they had a similar experience.

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     MatthewS September 15, 2011 Reply

     Fear and guilt are effective motivators for the short term. You can see quick results. But they don't work well for cultivating relationships and propagating relationships down the line to the following generations. The result I have seen from that usually ends up being a dwindling group of people who have a dwindling impact while they sit around and complain about "kids these days".
     
     That's not a charitable way to say it, I admit. They see themselves as the final remaining faithful few and they truly wish to pass it on. They mean well and they have literally put their money where their mouth is. But they shot themselves in the foot by choosing fear and guilt instead of the long-term investment that is grace. That's how I see it.

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     Tangent May 22, 2012 Reply

     Did you stay there? Do they still teach that?

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    Wendy Blake September 14, 2011 Reply

    Wow!!! Also teared up!! Loved this so much!!! When I talk about this site to others I say, "Yes, God gives us the power and the desire to do His will but to say that that is what "grace" is messes with our heads when we think about salvation, even if we think we know what salvation is!!!"
    This is a much better way to say it!!!
    Thanks so much!!!
    Btw, my kids bring me dandelions too!!! and sometimes they pick from my own rose bushes... I totally love it!!!!

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      Ileata Lundmark September 14, 2011 Reply

      I like to say that when God gives us the power and ability to do his will it is an act of Grace, but not every act of grace is God giving us the power and ability to do His will.

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    Tammy September 14, 2011 Reply

    Thanks Donna. Beautifully written and such a great analogy of God's love for us.

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    David September 15, 2011 Reply

    ... It is BECAUSE OF grace that I have the desire and power to do His will...
    
    Sounds a lot like the IBLP def of Grace.

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      donnam September 16, 2011 Reply

      The IBLP definition of grace is "the power and desire to do God's will". I cannot swallow this defition. Grace is unmerited favor. This unmerited favor given to me by God at the time of my repentance and acknowledgement of Him is what drives me to please Him. IBLP twists it all up. I'm trying to untwist it here.

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    Erin September 17, 2011 Reply

    This is so sweet...It almost made me cry. It makes me love my God and Savior all the more. <3 I absolutely love your website here. Through all the depressing stuff and sorrow surrounding the Great Gothard Way, the articles here are ultimately very beautiful and encouraging. God bless you guys.

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    Mercy October 2, 2011 Reply

    This brought tears to my eyes. After an entire lifetime of trying to perform for God, I'm learning to rest in His love for me and to just love Him back.

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    Tangent May 22, 2012 Reply

    I loved this article. Very encouraging. I am glad for the work of grace God has done in your life, and in your childrens. The fact that they feel secure in your love is wonderful.